Interesting read. I as a rule, tend not to throw compliments out to people I don't know clothed or unclothed. And limit my compliments about people's appearance even amongst the people that I do know as all it takes is a misplaced word or gesture to go from friendly to creepy.
Compliments section is great idea. So long as it’s non-offending. As was just mentioned to encourage and appreciate in the vain of wholesomeness of nudism/ naturism. Jan&Gary
Compliments should be open & from inner self. However the words must be used carefully without offending even though my thoughts may differ. Generally the compliments should be to encourage & to appreciate. Even though if I have my own thoughts different from the person about whom I am posting my compliments, my words should not hurt the person.
Don't say anything to a female that you wouldn't normally say to another male. Many "compliments" are just stating the obvious anyway and are insincere. Keep the comments general and not focused on appearance.
Agreed. I have seen many comments of “Beautiful” and the like, which may or may not be appropriate, or desired. There is always a way to provide a compliment that does not bring looks or body parts into inappropriate focus.
Naturism/nudism/whatever has several third rails. This is one of them.
While it is not a universal truth, women feel more vulnerable naked. They have reproductive potential and men want it. To a textile, even a small patch of fabric is a form of armor. It says, "You can't have this unless I say so." A woman at a nudist venue, especially a newcomer, is likely to be hypersensitive without it.
***Do not complain that she shouldn't be. Accept that she is.***
My general rule is to pay compliments for accomplishments and not for appearance. If a woman has just done something outstanding, that's cool. "You ran a mile in 6 minutes. I couldn't do that on the best day of my life. I am impressed." OTOH, "You have a lovely smile." is creepy. I've seen it used so often it has become code for, "I want to compliment you for being sexually attractive but I can't say what I'm thinking."
Even on social media, you'll see where a photo of a nude guy might get a "like" while the same photo of a woman will get a "love" - usually a heart of some sort. See it a dozen times and it gets creepy.
If a woman has gone to some length to look attractive, I think that's fair game. You don't wear an expensive Dior gown or go for extensive body paint without wanting people to notice. But you are complimenting the gown and not the occupant. "That's a lovely gown!" is cool while "You're body is hot in that!" is creepy.
I suppose the smile compliment could be appropriate if she just announced she was back from the orthodontist. It is a variation of having just gotten back from the hair stylist. You do these things wanting to be noticed. Again, you are complimenting the results of the effort, not the body of the person.
Complimenting physical appearance is only acceptable if two people know each other well or if they BOTH understand they are in a courtship phase. I say "both" because you may think you are courting but she is not courting you. Unwelcome courtship is double creepy, even to me.
Most women will not respond to creepy behavior with, "That's creepy." They will avoid making a fuss, maybe even smile, say thank you, and then move away. And maybe never return to the club because they went there to *avoid* creepiness.
All the things I have are just the current zeitgeist. You will never go wrong if you follow these rules at a nudist resort or a nudist social media site.. If you move to a more sexually oriented group, different rules come into play. (Truth is that women know exactly how they look and you don't need to tell them.)
I hate the word "objectification" because no man I have ever met preferred to have sex with an object. Some men may prefer uncommitted sex but that isn't the same as treating someone as an object. Some women prefer it that way too. Lust is a very *human* activity.
Men and women (usually) respond differently to the same stimulus, so don't assume that because it would be okay by you it "ought to be" okay by another person. Since sexuality is primal, humans will never stop looking at potential partners and judging them according to sexual attractiveness. But right now the rules of the game are in flux.
Unfortunately, I can't fully agree with Fred, even if Bob's article is of course correct. However, inappropriate compliments are not the reason why fewer women than men (is that really the case? I don't really get the impression in Europe) practice naturism. It's also not about women having reproductive organs (what a bad word).
If women have a problem with showing themselves naked, it's shame. This shame has been trained into women for generations. In Germany, for example, we say that a man without a belly is a cripple. This shows that men are often socially less concerned about their appearance. This is changing in the eyes of the world, but in my generation it is. There are no such sayings about women.
The only exception I know of is the area where Arnold Schwarzenger comes from in Austria, where they say "Big ass, big joy" about women's butts. But you should only say that to women from that particular region.
Since women outside of Arnold's homeland are unfortunately subject to the social pressure to be "perfect", but at the same time they are fully aware that they are not because nobody is perfect, they are ashamed.
This thin strip of textile that Fred describes is not protection. Clothes used to be protection against the elements. Today, however, they are also a hiding place to conceal the imperfect parts of the body and, in the case of some garments, to tighten them.
I have a friend who had to undergo a serious bowel cancer operation. She is now completely cured but her body is pretty badly scarred. She doesn't even go to the swimming pool anymore because she is ashamed of it. I have been trying for 2 years to convince her to go on a few weeks naturist vacation with her family to show her that she has nothing to be ashamed of. If she were a man, she would certainly not be ashamed to this extent of her scars, which are not her fault at all.
Also, the naked woman sexualization argument for a naturist is wrong. Unfortunately, women are sexualized anyway. Whether they are naked or not. A visit to any gym of your choice will show this. With naturists, however, it is different. Naturists do not normally judge the body. Since everyone is naked anyway, sexualization through nudity is completely absent. All of our female friends who started practicing naturism with us always said "Oh, I'm so ashamed" before they took their clothes off. Not one of them has ever said "oh god, I'm becoming a sex object". And they never were during their stay at the resorts.
However, this comment unintentionally sexualized them.
There is a paragraph in the Carta Naturist of a large family resort in France which says:
By choosing to spend your naturist holidays at EURONAT, you must respect these fundamental rules.
- Respect nudity whenever the weather permits.
- Nudity is obligatory at the swimming pool, at the beach and in the washrooms.
- Swimwears, bikinis and G-strings are forbidden.
- However, common sense prevails : A certain tolerance is allowed for some sporting activities, for women at certain times and for teenagers.
The last sentence is interesting. Why are teenagers and women allowed to wear clothes at certain times? The answer is to protect their sense of shame. Not because they might otherwise feel sexualized. If it were the case that teenagers would feel sexualized naked in a naturist resort, we would have a really bad problem.
Bob's article is of course correct, although I think all inappropriate compliments are superfluous whether you are naked or clothed. And I think anyone who has had a minimum of education from home should know this.
Women wear clothes at "certain times" to keep their pads in place. I suspect teenage boys wear clothes at certain times because whacked out hormones leave them prone to erections at random and unpredictable times. This isn't a matter of shame at simply being nude. More a matter of certain biological functions.
You may not think that a bikini is armor. Here it is *psychological* armor. It is a signal of unavailability. Americans of both genders have been taught so since they were old enough not to wear diapers. They are taught that having your genital area visible (and exposed nipples on a female) is an exclusively sexual display. And that a guy wearing skimpy swimwear is either gay or a professional bodybuilder. We don't even get naked in the locker room any more.
Things are different in the USA. Some for the better and some for the worse. Generally speaking, many American do not get any education from home on the matter at all. We often leave our children to learn about sex and etiquette from their peers and popular media because parents are too embarrassed to talk about it. Perhaps if they did this wouldn't be such an issue here.
Certainly most textile Americans think a compliment on someone's appearance is a proper thing to do. Trying to make a nudist environment different isn't easy.
". . . no man I have ever met preferred to have sex with an object."
No so sure about that, Fred. Many men will prefer sex with an object over no sex at all. Fleshlights, strokers, sex dolls, prostate massagers - all these are sex objects, not to mention what I would call deviant sexual behaviours. A woman is treated as a sex object when she is regarded and treated as nothing more than a device or sex toy for the man to gain sexual self-gratification and nothing more. Sure, some women may be happy with that kind of sexual encounter, but that doesn't remove the fact that, to the man, she is merely a sex-toy.
Men generally don't prefer those things over a living woman. (Except for a very few who might have a fetish.) I don't consider them deviant. They are just variations on masturbation.
You don't care if an object enjoys itself. There are a number of men who may feel that way. I have never met one. Their existence is greatly exaggerated, perhaps because the negativity of the experience is so strong. If one in five men feel this way, a typical woman will meet one along the way and the bad experience is what she will remember.
American sexuality is incredibly fraught with ignorance and unreasonable expectations. Often people go into sex with different ideas of what "it" is all about. Maybe one partner just wants to have fun and the other is looking for love. It is easy for both genders to assign disappointment in an experience to the poor attitude of your partner.
Men generally want their partner to enjoy the experience, even if it is a one night stand. It is good for the ego, if nothing else. Being the figurative object of someone's desire does not make one a literal object.
Good points, Fred. I guess it's all in individual perception. But yes, complimenting a woman based on her looks is not a good idea. Beauty is more than skin deep - there are other aspects to a woman's make-up that, to her, can be much more important than physical appearance. You don't need to meet the impossible standards of the beauty, fitness, and fashion industries to qualify as a beautiful person!
Well said Steve, personally I look forward to reading the comments on SM especially those shots with attractive females.
You always get someone who posts "hot" or some other derogatory remark. I then check their profile, media and their posts. Almost always they are the pornhounds who claim to be naturists, and they will always have a pseudonym with a creepy name.
It is these who stick their head out from under the rock where they live who I block.
Women who have been unmercifully objectified and felt socially obligated to meet certain standards of appearance, just want to been seen as a person.
I’ve had enough experiences of creepy male behaviour to understand what it feels like. Unsettling.
It isn’t even unsolicited compliments. It’s the lack of genuine engagement to know or understand somebody and actually relate to them as a fellow human.
Once a mutual level of trust and respect is established, then compliments are taken in a context that’s understood. What’s more, what is likely to be appropriate is clearly understood.
The objectification of women is a huge issue. And, while not excusing the behaviour of some men in that regard, women also can be among their own worst enemies! Take the pornography industry, for example. It's true that this multi-billion dollar industry is responsible for some human trafficking, which is reprehensible, of course. But it also employs women who are all to eager to be part of the financial stakes the industry offers. And another problem is that, just ask any woman and they will tell you just how critical they are of each other when it comes to body shape and size and overall "beauty". Bullying amongst schoolgirls is almost always based around appearance, and that attitude often continues into adulthood.
But, yes, men are not immune to creepy male behaviour and, like you, I've experienced far more than my fair share. One point I've noticed though - and please don't take this in a derogatory way - is your choice of a username. Why advertise your sexual preference to the world in your username? You may not see it as a big deal, or you may have valid reasons and that's fine. But I hope you understand that, to many guys, that name will be a not-so-subtle signal that sexual behaviour is welcomed. What's wrong with simply "NudieGuy"?
Good points made. One thing people should never lose sight of is respect. Even if you don’t agree with people’s life choices, adult entertainers should be afforded as much respect as you’d give anyone else.
As to the username, that’s more about ownership and identity. If there’s a lesson to be learnt from the rainbow community it would be owning who and what you stand for.
Visibility creates a safer more inclusive environment for everyone.
Maybe twenty to thirty years ago “that name will be a not-so-subtle signal that sexual behaviour is welcomed”.
In today’s multi-gendered, multi-sexual world it’s more an affirmation that it’s okay to be whoever and whatever you actually are.
Respect is based on two aspects - being (what a person is), and behaviour (what a person does). Yes, everyone deserves respect on the basis of being - even someone you've never met before. You hold the door open for the person behind you carrying an armload of groceries as you exit the supermarket. That's showing respect. You thank the checkout person. That's showing respect. Even prison inmates are shown that kind of respect. It's a basic human right, irrespective of what they do. Then there's respect that's earned or forfeited. People can gain or lose that kind of respect by their actions.
Fair comment regarding your username. If your sexual preference ranks that high on your list of things that form your identity, then fine. All power to you. For me personally, there are hundreds of things that are more important to my identity than my sexuality.
Yes, it's ok to be whatever you actually are. It's just a shame that some people today try to change into something they're actually not, and never can be. But that's a whole other discussion. In the meantime, I'll continue to try to convince society that it's ok to be naked, and that there's nothing disrespectful or creepy about that!
A good many men are poorly socialized and otherwise clueless as to what behaviors are appropriate in the company of others. It’s not only verbal behavior that is concerning, but goes to physical behavior. For example, if a guy insists on letting his hair grow, is he clueless about the need to keep said hair clean and odor free? This includes all body hair, from the top of the head to beard and mustache to pits and pubes and beyond. Hanging out around either men or women staring or grinning foolishly is not only stupid but predatory. It’s worse when stupid men just can’t get it into their heads that one’s nakedness is not an invitation for sexual activity. I sometimes wonder whether or not nudist venues should include a mandatory orientation as to exactly what behaviors are unacceptable in any degree. Of course, if we were all raised in nudist venues from birth, we might have a better concept of what is unacceptable and how to properly address those who violate healthy norms.
Tom, I quite agree that many men are poorly socialised. Women too, actually. And it seems far more prevalent among younger generations. Youngsters today are glued to devices, which have become to normal way to interact with other people. Consequently that lack the skills that you learn by face-to-face relationships. I can't believe the sad need for "consent culture" that young people need to understand these days - skills that we were taught to us by our parents as a standard part of child-rearing.
Interesting read. I as a rule, tend not to throw compliments out to people I don't know clothed or unclothed. And limit my compliments about people's appearance even amongst the people that I do know as all it takes is a misplaced word or gesture to go from friendly to creepy.
Compliments section is great idea. So long as it’s non-offending. As was just mentioned to encourage and appreciate in the vain of wholesomeness of nudism/ naturism. Jan&Gary
Compliments should be open & from inner self. However the words must be used carefully without offending even though my thoughts may differ. Generally the compliments should be to encourage & to appreciate. Even though if I have my own thoughts different from the person about whom I am posting my compliments, my words should not hurt the person.
Don't say anything to a female that you wouldn't normally say to another male. Many "compliments" are just stating the obvious anyway and are insincere. Keep the comments general and not focused on appearance.
Agreed. I have seen many comments of “Beautiful” and the like, which may or may not be appropriate, or desired. There is always a way to provide a compliment that does not bring looks or body parts into inappropriate focus.
Be creative people!
Naturism/nudism/whatever has several third rails. This is one of them.
While it is not a universal truth, women feel more vulnerable naked. They have reproductive potential and men want it. To a textile, even a small patch of fabric is a form of armor. It says, "You can't have this unless I say so." A woman at a nudist venue, especially a newcomer, is likely to be hypersensitive without it.
***Do not complain that she shouldn't be. Accept that she is.***
My general rule is to pay compliments for accomplishments and not for appearance. If a woman has just done something outstanding, that's cool. "You ran a mile in 6 minutes. I couldn't do that on the best day of my life. I am impressed." OTOH, "You have a lovely smile." is creepy. I've seen it used so often it has become code for, "I want to compliment you for being sexually attractive but I can't say what I'm thinking."
Even on social media, you'll see where a photo of a nude guy might get a "like" while the same photo of a woman will get a "love" - usually a heart of some sort. See it a dozen times and it gets creepy.
If a woman has gone to some length to look attractive, I think that's fair game. You don't wear an expensive Dior gown or go for extensive body paint without wanting people to notice. But you are complimenting the gown and not the occupant. "That's a lovely gown!" is cool while "You're body is hot in that!" is creepy.
I suppose the smile compliment could be appropriate if she just announced she was back from the orthodontist. It is a variation of having just gotten back from the hair stylist. You do these things wanting to be noticed. Again, you are complimenting the results of the effort, not the body of the person.
Complimenting physical appearance is only acceptable if two people know each other well or if they BOTH understand they are in a courtship phase. I say "both" because you may think you are courting but she is not courting you. Unwelcome courtship is double creepy, even to me.
Most women will not respond to creepy behavior with, "That's creepy." They will avoid making a fuss, maybe even smile, say thank you, and then move away. And maybe never return to the club because they went there to *avoid* creepiness.
All the things I have are just the current zeitgeist. You will never go wrong if you follow these rules at a nudist resort or a nudist social media site.. If you move to a more sexually oriented group, different rules come into play. (Truth is that women know exactly how they look and you don't need to tell them.)
I hate the word "objectification" because no man I have ever met preferred to have sex with an object. Some men may prefer uncommitted sex but that isn't the same as treating someone as an object. Some women prefer it that way too. Lust is a very *human* activity.
Men and women (usually) respond differently to the same stimulus, so don't assume that because it would be okay by you it "ought to be" okay by another person. Since sexuality is primal, humans will never stop looking at potential partners and judging them according to sexual attractiveness. But right now the rules of the game are in flux.
Unfortunately, I can't fully agree with Fred, even if Bob's article is of course correct. However, inappropriate compliments are not the reason why fewer women than men (is that really the case? I don't really get the impression in Europe) practice naturism. It's also not about women having reproductive organs (what a bad word).
If women have a problem with showing themselves naked, it's shame. This shame has been trained into women for generations. In Germany, for example, we say that a man without a belly is a cripple. This shows that men are often socially less concerned about their appearance. This is changing in the eyes of the world, but in my generation it is. There are no such sayings about women.
The only exception I know of is the area where Arnold Schwarzenger comes from in Austria, where they say "Big ass, big joy" about women's butts. But you should only say that to women from that particular region.
Since women outside of Arnold's homeland are unfortunately subject to the social pressure to be "perfect", but at the same time they are fully aware that they are not because nobody is perfect, they are ashamed.
This thin strip of textile that Fred describes is not protection. Clothes used to be protection against the elements. Today, however, they are also a hiding place to conceal the imperfect parts of the body and, in the case of some garments, to tighten them.
I have a friend who had to undergo a serious bowel cancer operation. She is now completely cured but her body is pretty badly scarred. She doesn't even go to the swimming pool anymore because she is ashamed of it. I have been trying for 2 years to convince her to go on a few weeks naturist vacation with her family to show her that she has nothing to be ashamed of. If she were a man, she would certainly not be ashamed to this extent of her scars, which are not her fault at all.
Also, the naked woman sexualization argument for a naturist is wrong. Unfortunately, women are sexualized anyway. Whether they are naked or not. A visit to any gym of your choice will show this. With naturists, however, it is different. Naturists do not normally judge the body. Since everyone is naked anyway, sexualization through nudity is completely absent. All of our female friends who started practicing naturism with us always said "Oh, I'm so ashamed" before they took their clothes off. Not one of them has ever said "oh god, I'm becoming a sex object". And they never were during their stay at the resorts.
However, this comment unintentionally sexualized them.
There is a paragraph in the Carta Naturist of a large family resort in France which says:
By choosing to spend your naturist holidays at EURONAT, you must respect these fundamental rules.
- Respect nudity whenever the weather permits.
- Nudity is obligatory at the swimming pool, at the beach and in the washrooms.
- Swimwears, bikinis and G-strings are forbidden.
- However, common sense prevails : A certain tolerance is allowed for some sporting activities, for women at certain times and for teenagers.
The last sentence is interesting. Why are teenagers and women allowed to wear clothes at certain times? The answer is to protect their sense of shame. Not because they might otherwise feel sexualized. If it were the case that teenagers would feel sexualized naked in a naturist resort, we would have a really bad problem.
Bob's article is of course correct, although I think all inappropriate compliments are superfluous whether you are naked or clothed. And I think anyone who has had a minimum of education from home should know this.
Women wear clothes at "certain times" to keep their pads in place. I suspect teenage boys wear clothes at certain times because whacked out hormones leave them prone to erections at random and unpredictable times. This isn't a matter of shame at simply being nude. More a matter of certain biological functions.
You may not think that a bikini is armor. Here it is *psychological* armor. It is a signal of unavailability. Americans of both genders have been taught so since they were old enough not to wear diapers. They are taught that having your genital area visible (and exposed nipples on a female) is an exclusively sexual display. And that a guy wearing skimpy swimwear is either gay or a professional bodybuilder. We don't even get naked in the locker room any more.
Things are different in the USA. Some for the better and some for the worse. Generally speaking, many American do not get any education from home on the matter at all. We often leave our children to learn about sex and etiquette from their peers and popular media because parents are too embarrassed to talk about it. Perhaps if they did this wouldn't be such an issue here.
Certainly most textile Americans think a compliment on someone's appearance is a proper thing to do. Trying to make a nudist environment different isn't easy.
". . . no man I have ever met preferred to have sex with an object."
No so sure about that, Fred. Many men will prefer sex with an object over no sex at all. Fleshlights, strokers, sex dolls, prostate massagers - all these are sex objects, not to mention what I would call deviant sexual behaviours. A woman is treated as a sex object when she is regarded and treated as nothing more than a device or sex toy for the man to gain sexual self-gratification and nothing more. Sure, some women may be happy with that kind of sexual encounter, but that doesn't remove the fact that, to the man, she is merely a sex-toy.
Men generally don't prefer those things over a living woman. (Except for a very few who might have a fetish.) I don't consider them deviant. They are just variations on masturbation.
You don't care if an object enjoys itself. There are a number of men who may feel that way. I have never met one. Their existence is greatly exaggerated, perhaps because the negativity of the experience is so strong. If one in five men feel this way, a typical woman will meet one along the way and the bad experience is what she will remember.
American sexuality is incredibly fraught with ignorance and unreasonable expectations. Often people go into sex with different ideas of what "it" is all about. Maybe one partner just wants to have fun and the other is looking for love. It is easy for both genders to assign disappointment in an experience to the poor attitude of your partner.
Men generally want their partner to enjoy the experience, even if it is a one night stand. It is good for the ego, if nothing else. Being the figurative object of someone's desire does not make one a literal object.
Good points, Fred. I guess it's all in individual perception. But yes, complimenting a woman based on her looks is not a good idea. Beauty is more than skin deep - there are other aspects to a woman's make-up that, to her, can be much more important than physical appearance. You don't need to meet the impossible standards of the beauty, fitness, and fashion industries to qualify as a beautiful person!
Well said Steve, personally I look forward to reading the comments on SM especially those shots with attractive females.
You always get someone who posts "hot" or some other derogatory remark. I then check their profile, media and their posts. Almost always they are the pornhounds who claim to be naturists, and they will always have a pseudonym with a creepy name.
It is these who stick their head out from under the rock where they live who I block.
They make it so easy.
Have a nice day Steve
All good common sense and common decency - thank you!
This is pretty simple really.
Women who have been unmercifully objectified and felt socially obligated to meet certain standards of appearance, just want to been seen as a person.
I’ve had enough experiences of creepy male behaviour to understand what it feels like. Unsettling.
It isn’t even unsolicited compliments. It’s the lack of genuine engagement to know or understand somebody and actually relate to them as a fellow human.
Once a mutual level of trust and respect is established, then compliments are taken in a context that’s understood. What’s more, what is likely to be appropriate is clearly understood.
Just a thought. Perhaps us guys should listen to what women want from women rather that assuming we know and making broad statements.
And I may be wrong, but it appears that all of the commentators to this artiicle have been guys.
Totally agree with you, BiNudieGuy.
The objectification of women is a huge issue. And, while not excusing the behaviour of some men in that regard, women also can be among their own worst enemies! Take the pornography industry, for example. It's true that this multi-billion dollar industry is responsible for some human trafficking, which is reprehensible, of course. But it also employs women who are all to eager to be part of the financial stakes the industry offers. And another problem is that, just ask any woman and they will tell you just how critical they are of each other when it comes to body shape and size and overall "beauty". Bullying amongst schoolgirls is almost always based around appearance, and that attitude often continues into adulthood.
But, yes, men are not immune to creepy male behaviour and, like you, I've experienced far more than my fair share. One point I've noticed though - and please don't take this in a derogatory way - is your choice of a username. Why advertise your sexual preference to the world in your username? You may not see it as a big deal, or you may have valid reasons and that's fine. But I hope you understand that, to many guys, that name will be a not-so-subtle signal that sexual behaviour is welcomed. What's wrong with simply "NudieGuy"?
Good points made. One thing people should never lose sight of is respect. Even if you don’t agree with people’s life choices, adult entertainers should be afforded as much respect as you’d give anyone else.
As to the username, that’s more about ownership and identity. If there’s a lesson to be learnt from the rainbow community it would be owning who and what you stand for.
Visibility creates a safer more inclusive environment for everyone.
Maybe twenty to thirty years ago “that name will be a not-so-subtle signal that sexual behaviour is welcomed”.
In today’s multi-gendered, multi-sexual world it’s more an affirmation that it’s okay to be whoever and whatever you actually are.
Respect is based on two aspects - being (what a person is), and behaviour (what a person does). Yes, everyone deserves respect on the basis of being - even someone you've never met before. You hold the door open for the person behind you carrying an armload of groceries as you exit the supermarket. That's showing respect. You thank the checkout person. That's showing respect. Even prison inmates are shown that kind of respect. It's a basic human right, irrespective of what they do. Then there's respect that's earned or forfeited. People can gain or lose that kind of respect by their actions.
Fair comment regarding your username. If your sexual preference ranks that high on your list of things that form your identity, then fine. All power to you. For me personally, there are hundreds of things that are more important to my identity than my sexuality.
Yes, it's ok to be whatever you actually are. It's just a shame that some people today try to change into something they're actually not, and never can be. But that's a whole other discussion. In the meantime, I'll continue to try to convince society that it's ok to be naked, and that there's nothing disrespectful or creepy about that!
A good many men are poorly socialized and otherwise clueless as to what behaviors are appropriate in the company of others. It’s not only verbal behavior that is concerning, but goes to physical behavior. For example, if a guy insists on letting his hair grow, is he clueless about the need to keep said hair clean and odor free? This includes all body hair, from the top of the head to beard and mustache to pits and pubes and beyond. Hanging out around either men or women staring or grinning foolishly is not only stupid but predatory. It’s worse when stupid men just can’t get it into their heads that one’s nakedness is not an invitation for sexual activity. I sometimes wonder whether or not nudist venues should include a mandatory orientation as to exactly what behaviors are unacceptable in any degree. Of course, if we were all raised in nudist venues from birth, we might have a better concept of what is unacceptable and how to properly address those who violate healthy norms.
Tom, I quite agree that many men are poorly socialised. Women too, actually. And it seems far more prevalent among younger generations. Youngsters today are glued to devices, which have become to normal way to interact with other people. Consequently that lack the skills that you learn by face-to-face relationships. I can't believe the sad need for "consent culture" that young people need to understand these days - skills that we were taught to us by our parents as a standard part of child-rearing.
Beautiful..👌👍