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Peter Stokes's avatar

A cogent and sensible discussion as always, Steve, and rehearsing many of the “why no women?” discussion points - though almost always made by men because …. there’re no women!

The one argument never heard whenever there is a perceived lack of a particular group in an activity (be that naturism, juggling, skydiving, anything) is that maybe that group just doesn’t want to.

Could it simply be that going naked appeals to something in the male psyche but doesn’t appeal to the female psyche? Does there have to be a deeper reason, especially one that sets parts of society against each other?

A debate we’ve had in the UK is whether the countryside is racist, because non-white people don’t go hiking. No one has suggested that perhaps, as a social group, they don’t enjoy hiking, there has to be a flaw in society keeping them out.

The same might be said of women, ethnic groups, young people, choristers or flower-arrangers when it comes to naturism.

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"If you are posting naked pictures of yourself to entice others, the fact that your door is not being beaten down with hordes of people overwhelmed by the majesty of your manhood might suggest that it isn’t as impressive as you think."

This is probably my favourite paragraph in your piece, Steve! It never ceases to amaze me how so many men who purport to be seasoned naturists - even some who have been on the NZNF Executive - can't resist a man-spread shot of the family jewels or an arm's length selfie that must include the obligatory penis shot. Naturism claims to be a non-sexual philosophy, but to many men it clearly is sexual. I'm constantly removing or declining pics of penises in various states of arousal from Hauraki Naturally's various platforms. It really is frustrating!

The obvious lack of women on naturist online sites has been an ongoing question for me, and you seem to have reached the same conclusion that I've come to - mostly the barrage of unwanted attention.

I have a theory about that. and my theory has been reinforced by my attendance at Kiwiburn for the last two years. At Kiwiburn nudity is commonplace - both with males and females, as well as kids. Nobody feels unsafe because there is an understanding of consent and it is well understood amongst the 2,000 or more participants in the festival. But it's NOT a nudist or naturist festival. There is no emphasis on nudity - everyone is free to wear or not wear whatever they like. And that's what attracted me to attend, as it's closely aligned with Hauraki Naturally's clothing-freedom advocacy.

So that was a light-bulb moment for me. I believe that naturist and nudist venues - both physical places and online spaces - are bombarded by men because they are sought out by men thinking they will gain some sexual gratification. Men are visual creatures and a naturist place will certainly provide plenty of visual material of naked bodies. I imagine most naturist men will deny that applies to them, but I suspect that, even subconsciously, that is the case.

I'm now focusing on events that have a special interest other than nudity, and removing nudity as the focus. In fact all our activities are now clothing-optional. People are free to partake in activities in whatever clothing they choose - or be naked if they choose. Not everyone has to be naked to make it normal and acceptable.

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